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Rebel Scientist Epi 20 Sarah and Russ get vocal with Freddie Kimmel

Sarah: So going on from our theme of awesome humans that we started up a few weeks ago. This is an awesome human that I met at the biohacker event in Miami, Freddie. So, Freddie, I’m so pleased that you came on and I know that you missed your ballet debut to come and be on the show with us today. So it’s super cool and it’s really lovely to have you on.

Freddie: Thank you. It’s an honor to be here.

Sarah: Yeah. Yes. So Freddie had a great story. You gave a presentation at the biohackers. But also, I knew you of course before from you have a brilliant podcast.

Freddie: It’s The Beautifully Broken podcast,

Sarah: Well, actually, you gave a very inspiring talk at the biohackers, too, in fact. And so of course, we can’t recreate the whole thing here. But it would be good if we can just instill the essence of that because you have a great story. And also now you’re going on to do education. And I know you’re trained in a lot of different functional health techniques. So it’d be good to talk about at least one of those if we’ve got time. But let’s start with your story. Because I think something, I think Russ in particular, you’re gonna like this story because it’s gonna resonate. I know you have similar background. So Fred, if you don’t mind just giving us a bit of your backstory. That’d be super cool.

Freddie: Yeah, I can get it almost down to 30 seconds. So I can do it very quickly. But will embellish a little bit because it’s the podcast. We’re here to talk. So to recap, and just to, I guess, we’ll open the door. And we’ll just start out. I moved to New York City in 2001 to be an actor, a Broadway performer. And the second I set down my bags, I just started to have this storybook career unfold. I booked my very first show of Broadway National Tour, I got my union card. I just started to get better and better jobs. And right around the time I was 26, about five years into it, I was diagnosed with testicular cancer. And soon after, the next day, I found out not only did I have cancer, but it had metastasized so nine tumors in my body. So I had to immediately jump in to very intense chemotherapy and many, many surgeries. And about a year later, I was declared cancer free and at that moment, it’s kind of that point where you’re like, “Okay, now I’m going to be invited to Oprah. I’m going to write a book I’m going to be a poster child for all cancer survivors,” and I just started at that moment. things really started to get bad, I started to have additional surgeries from complications from my initial procedure, abdominal adhesions, were cutting off my small intestine and causing visits to the emergency room, emergency surgeries, this one on for almost 2006 to 2015, I had five different surgeries. In the myths, you can imagine what your nervous system starts to do after this much trauma, immune system shutdown, diagnosed with Lyme disease, toxic mold exposure, you name it. And I just started to,

I basically had to become my own best advocate for health and wellness, I had to take things into my own hands, because what I was offered was really opiates and more surgeries. And I was becoming that kid who spends most of his time on the couch.

Missed most holidays, missed most vacations, didn’t have many consistent relationships, really was always on the struggle bus. And one of the more compromised people I knew. So again, looking to the fringe, looking to become a certified functional medicine health coach and a Reiki practitioner and a gut health expert, and a certified movement specialists and international sports science. So I just started training, and again, seeking out these experts in the field of scar tissue, or biotoxin illness or Lyme, or recovery from chronic illnesses, and really, I rebuilt my body through technology, supplementation mindset, and just really honing in to the idea that whatever we’re doing, it’s got to be programmed with joy. And I rebuilt my body back into a state where I was strong enough to get back into Phantom of the Opera, like the Broadway tour that went around the United States. So that was kind of that, I proved to my ego that I could do it and get back to a certain place. And now I’ve just kind of officially retired from theater. And I’m full time in this, the sandbox of talking about health and wellness, like you said, I do a podcast, it’s 100 episodes in about all this transformational technology and all the things I used to get better in depth, whether it’s deliberate cold exposure, or red light therapy or pulsed electromagnetic field. And I love it because I feel so good.

And I have my little N equals one experiment where I see what’s worked, and what hasn’t exactly what does what? What’s the difference between laying on a red light diode for 30 minutes? And what’s the difference between a coffee enema? Well, how do those feel different in my body? They’re very different things, we could both draw some scientific strings to where they might benefit liver detoxification or anti-aging or increase in ATP. But really, we kind of get into the nuts and bolts. And it’s funny, this platform, exchanging information through a microphone with other people like yourselves has been the through line through my healing, you know, started when I was really lost.

It was like Tim Ferriss, and early days of like Dave Asprey and Luke Story, and Ben Greenfield. So it’s been where I’ve downloaded most of my information. So I feel very honored to be a podcaster and to be offering my subjective experience, objective experience to this community of listeners, it’s the way I really got most of my information for getting better. And I’m really trying to level up the bar with how we retell our stories? How we remember exactly the details, where’s the actionable? How do I get it and that gets started? So, I did that about two minutes.

Sarah: Yeah. Perfect.

Russ: I was gonna go back to the cancer because I too, have a cancer survivor. I had lymphoma when I was 21. In college, and then just all of a sudden, I mean, just everything, my entire body just quit on me. I had cancer throughout my entire body because I had lymphoma. So it was started from my neck. I had these weird lymph nodes and went all the way through. And I think when you in your 20s, when you got testicular cancer, which is a typical age for testicular cancer to assume a Hodgkin’s.

Freddie: It is. I think the prime risk group is about 18 to 35. They adjust those numbers every once a while, but I was 26 years old. So I was right in the middle.

Russ: So I’m curious about A, did you worry about your health before you got cancer? Was health on your mind or was it just a shock?

Freddie: If I go and timeline back and you know, it’s like, from my experience research and all the other people that I follow, cancer doesn’t show up in a day. Most people will tell you it’s 10 years and development on some level of trauma inside the cell. And there’s this book that I always refer people that are looking to learn more about why? The Why of Cancer? The metabolic approach to cancer, which looks at mitochondrial dysfunction. I can, for sure, I could tell you when I moved to New York City in 2001, that I was stricken with grief, looking for a job during 9/11, just being on the train with people coming back and forth and seeing like, every 10th person be like running mascara in tears, I remember getting home and no skills for processing those types of emotions at 21 or 23, whatever I was, I just been very overcome with grief. I mean, I can remember, I had mononucleosis when I was 18. Very, very serious, with mononucleosis. So that’s something as I’ve discovered, and done more testing and looked at the terrain I’ve seen, “Wow, I still have a very high titer for Epstein Barr and cytomegalovirus and HHV 6.” So I see that chronic viral infection, I go back to when I was five, and had my adenoids pulled out. And I had tubes in my ears for chronic infections. So the terrain, for people in the audience, I’m sure you guys talk about the terrain of the bio terrain. It’s like, why do we make a home that is so ideal for cancer or disease? Is it emotional? Is it environmental? I love that the example of the fish tank, we have a beautiful tropical fish tank, and you turn off the oxygen and you turn off the lights and you put a sheet over the tank, you come back in three days, there’s mold and fungus, all the fish are dead. And nobody came and dumped disease in that tank. It was in there in a state that was checked or balanced from the environmental inputs. And so I always look at the body like that.

Sarah: Yeah, I mean, it’s interesting, because like you say, it’s probably a mix of all those things, because they have a cancer personality, which, some people say, there’s been a trauma, that does seem to be one of the things that that most people who go on to develop cancer can identify something like that. So there is obviously some kind of psychosomatic connection, and how that influences their terrain, too? Because that’s, again, that’s... One of our guests we had on who just overcome breast cancer, and she can identify as she had a lot of relationship things and it ended with her husband, ending his life, and then she got the cancer, I think that’s a very important part of that, how you distinguish between your mental environment and your physical environment?

Freddie: Yeah, I think we could also look at, listen, if you want to get really granular and look at the chemical changes in the body, when you undergo chronic stress, look at mineral depletion alone, look at how magnesium depletes under chronic stress, 10 to 12x, magnesium arguably present and I don’t know how many hundreds of metabolic processes in the cell, you want to delete your body, if it’s most prime mineral and nutrient, you’re going to have speed bumps down the road or the just the chronic stress, chronic depression.

I always think about the idea that our breath changes our respiratory rate changes under chronic stress. And so with that depleted oxygen environment, how much vital resource is actually going to the organs of detoxification, like the liver or the gallbladder when we’re not breathing?

It’s all these downstream effects. And so I always look at the body like a car and I know what my dashboard looks like, miles per hour and gas in the tank and oil. I had those ones that align with the body that I kind of known to check.

Russ: Yeah. I’ve been through many rounds of therapy, years of therapy. I’m not equating chemotherapy to mental therapy, but why not? And one of the amazing things that I think someone pointed out to me once was that you probably gave yourself cancer, like you brought it into your mindset. And my mindset was against stress, chronic viral infection. I had mono as a kid too. And my ex-wife tells me right when I meet her, “Oh, you know what? My boyfriend from high school died from cancer so whatever you do, don’t get cancer.” I never thought about getting cancer but sure I won’t get cancer but it was always on my mind and it was all I thought about and the stress of it and I think there’s just this, I think what you’re saying is very true is like to be able to biologically look at the numbers and say like your breathing, your oxygen depletion because you’re stressed. So to be able to like know what that is by a number. I know what that is, biologically but the fact that you’re going through a stressful, depressing time, grief driven, like, that is the thing, that is the trigger point that tells your body, “I’ve got to focus on that,” and then everything and then the mold and the algae takes over and all of a sudden you’ve come up with cancer because your mind is somewhere else. It’s focused on something else. It’s really fascinating and hearing about I’m curious, your transformation, though, like, what is the transformation moment where you said, “Enough is enough. I’ve got to take my mind and my body into my own hands and really tackle this now.”

Freddie: Yeah, listen, I always had my eye on improvement and feeling better. But like, so many I was really lost on the road of chronic illness or chronic conditions, especially with the bio toxin illness, the lime and the mold. And I do remember there is a day when I was walking down 52nd Street between 9th and 10th Avenue, New York City and sort of like, had this moment where it was snowing, there was a monastery that was right next to my house, is this beautiful statue, statue of the Virgin Mary, like covered with snow, I just remember picking and I was so brain fog that I was seeing, like doubles, and I was dizzy. And I said, “Oh my God, if I ever get to a place where I am functional, I’m going to be a lighthouse for other people.” Just had that moment, I was like, “That’s all, that’s the only thing.” That’s the only thing I can really promise anybody is like, listen, on the other side, I promise I’ll pay it forward. And the fatigue, the chronic fatigue, and the depression and the low level energy, it was like, I was taking like, a 10-minute walk, and I was just dragging my feet, just felt so bad. And I was always performing at this time. I was really, for lack of a better word, a lot of this happened in hiding. I didn’t always tell people what was going on it and tell people that I was like, laying on the floor for 36 hours, dry heaving, because my small intestine was twisted. A lot of it was on my own. So a lot of it was suffering in silence, unfortunately. So that is, I think another value is just, speaking about some of the stuff we’ve been through, it normalizes, in a way, it gives people permission to like, “Oh, it’s okay to feel terrible.”

Sarah: Yeah. And yet you say that, when you were coming out of it, you were focusing on the joy. You said that you were doing everything. So where did you kind of dig that resource from?

Freddie: Yeah, I think it’s wired into DNA for sure. I’ve revisiting a book that I read, Power Versus Force by David Hawkins. It’s great book. And they basically use muscle testing for certain states of consciousness. And there is a level of consciousness that is associated with joy. And it’s almost like this, it’s a breakthrough level, when you can kind of bring joy into everything in your life. I read this a couple times. Whether it be going into surgery, whether it be in a state of extreme pain, where can you find humor in that moment, humility because it’s the resentment for being sick, or having a thrust upon you is an incredibly low vibration. And it’s a very hard spot to get out of it. So it’s wired into my DNA. I can tell you stories of where I had my mom when I was going through cancer, and I was in the emergency room or intensive care for 12 days where they had cut from my sternum to my pelvis, taken out the cancer, put all the digestive organs back, and she would like, push me down, I couldn’t eat, she would push me out in the cafeteria. I was like, “I just want to go see a vending machine with milk. So I’m gonna dream about drinking milk again. I want to watch people walk in and out of the hospital because I want to watch people walk. Yeah, and I want to see them hold hot coffee.” I know. It’s possible. It was that small of a thing. I was like, “Let me just give myself something small that I can get excited about.” So that also going through that experience, yeah, I do not take life for granted. I realize every single time I go to sleep, I’m like, “Woo, I woke up.” That’s there. And that’s part of the beauty. There was a book I think it’s called We’re The Lucky Ones about going through cancer and realizing your mortality to very young age, and the small stuff. It’s just small. It’s just doesn’t matter. It’s talking to a friend about attachment to material possessions. It just doesn’t faze me anymore. I’m okay with getting rid of things, material things in a conscious way, not trying to dump everything in a dumpster and further clutter up the earth. And I just don’t have an emotional attachment to those things anymore. The only thing I’m attached to are really my energetic level, my vibration, my ability to generate my own joy and perception of responding to the outside world. We’re so reactive. And I feel like, especially attachment to material things. It really weights us down. You know, it’s like, “Oh, the things going to get dent or damage, or I’m going to lose it, or somebody’s going to borrow it.” And listen, that’s going to come up at all levels, because we’re human beings. And we operate on a system of fiat currency, until we switch over to Bitcoin. But I think it’s always going to be that’s part of being human, we got to work through that. But snipping those attachments has allowed me to focus on different things at a different level. That seems, again, I feel a lot of joy through the day to day, whatever it is.

Russ: I’m curious about, you brought up energy and we’ve had a Reiki Master on and I think there’s something interesting if you think back to your energy, and if you knew what you know now, and you’re thinking back to yourself, when you’re going through cancer, how would you have treated yourself with the Reiki? How would you have dealt with your energy to get through that? Because you didn’t know, you were a young, you’re a young [unclear 21:14] kind of growing up. You didn’t know it. But now if you could go back, like what would you tell people who are going through cancer about energy and how they are treating themselves when they’re going through chemotherapy? And they’re unhealthy?

Freddie: Yeah, there’s so many ways. I mean, that’s like a whole book. What my advice would be to somebody going through cancer treatment right now? It’s a great question. And we’ll just stick on energy for a second, I would have two answers, I would have the emotional energetic, and then I would actually go to energy in the cell, I would have a conversation with somebody, look, you know, at the end of the day, your body is a self-healing auto-regulatory body until it’s not. And so I think about the body as a machine, wanting a little bit of surplus to go in and do the work that it does. You have an immune system that beats cancer every day. So how do we supply the body with more energy? I would remind people that among and above all things, you are someone who comes into your highest power, resonance and alignment when you’re in nature. I’d say while you’re in treatment, be outside for an hour and a half a day, be barefoot, I’d say expose yourself to the elements, yeah, ice baths. Well, all it is, is deliberate cold exposure to a hermetic stressor, which is going to help you unburden that stress cuff. I would say things like, again, energy, as far as like mitochondria of the cell, your cells worked until they didn’t. Why did they stop producing a lot of energy? Was it trauma work you can do? Is it environmental toxicity? One thing that’s been a big part of my healing has been de-burdening the toxic cup. So testing for heavy metals, testing for glyphosate, testing for micro plastics? And how do I get those out of the system? That’s a part of your terrain that chemotherapy or surgery will not fix. So, we’ve dealt with the immediate emergency situation with cutting your tumor out. But there’s a bigger question. And how do we restore the body to that state when you were in most alignment with nature? I talked to people that were going through cancer about the energetic vibration, or the ability to recharge was sleep, sleep environment, my dad fell asleep, like watching the TV, he would like have a couple of beers. I think, back to like, their sleep hygiene was non-existent. And probably because this is something that comes up for me, I find most of our fears and trauma in life is caused by fatigue. Again, it’s when that cup is a little empty. So, how do we better navigate that through sleep hygiene, just everything that would bring your body back into alignment and allow it to produce excess energy. I talk about a lot technology like red light therapy and pulsed electromagnetic field. Now, those are things in my mind, they’re sort of a nature element, but they also do some heavy lifting for the mitochondria in a very short amount of time. So as you know, in the US pulsed electromagnetic field, they don’t use that in the hospital. You get a healthy dose of magnetic resonance in an MRI tube, really healthy dose. And if you actually look up studies of people having treatment resistant depression, you can see people having reported states of profound joy after doing an MRI, because they’re getting that whack of magnetics, that ping, ping, ping in the tube, that’s that magnetic resonance bouncing back and forth in the tube. So in Germany, they use PMF with chemotherapy because it changes the permeability of the cell. So all of a sudden, you don’t need to use this mega high dose to eradicate every fast reproducing cell in the body, you can get away with a much lower dose. And that’s something I hope we start having a conversation about in the United States for whatever reason, I hope that comes but that would be that side of it. And then I would say to the other, to speak to the mental emotional of somebody going through cancer, what would the advice be? Who are you surrounding yourself with? Who is your top five? Because you’re going to be most like those top five people in your life. Are they supporting you? Are they talking down to you? Is your greatest success being that in their list of priorities? It has such an effect, like, my life, my drama in my life, which I remember, like I can remember like high school college, the drama, they used to be a lot of drama was around dramatic people who had shitty objectives. My greatest good was not in their top five priority less. So you should have friends that do that for you that want to lift you up and hold you up and celebrate you every single day. You’re not doing that for me. We just don’t spend time together. And I can smell it quick. I can smell it. I’m like, “Oh, you want shit from me. You actually don’t want to be around me. You just want you thing.”

Russ: Yeah, they are feeding off of you. Right?

Freddie: Yeah. And it’s terrible. I just had a person the other day, I was just like, “I think I’m gonna get off the phone now.” They were like, “What? I just want to get off the phone.” I don’t even want to like go through your like eight years of therapy, you need to start the conversation where we would be like, yeah, I love you, I support you, loving grace, go with peace. I want to get off the phone.

Sarah: Yeah, it’s about extending your environment that far, because we’ve talked about a lot of things in the environment, the light, the food, of course, even music. But the people, of course, you have to include and that’s such a big part. We are tribal pack animals, we need to have a good tribe and a good pack. So that’s a brilliant point. You really do need to be holistic about your definition of your environment. I think that’s what you’re saying?

Freddie: Yeah, I also think it’s really neat point that you bring up about tribal and packs. And what does that supportive number look like to me? I’m reminded there is a number in which society falls apart, melts down and self-destructs. We’re way beyond that, especially with a social engagement or interaction. Again, as somebody who spent a lot of time as a storyteller on stage and an actor and listening. I always tell people, it’s not performing. A really good performer is just listening and they’re responding. You’re just like, “What?” That’s why live theater is so unique, blocking pattern, notes, choreography is the same. But if you really get a bunch of people on stage listening every night, you can’t catch energy in a bottle. So it’s magical. You’re like, “Oh, the nuance is amazing in live theater.” I still love it. I’m still not done with it. I love it. And that’s all you’re doing. In my experience with this community, you’re like, really honing in and you’re listening, you know great coaches listen. Dovetail. I was watching, the Facebook CEO, Mark Zuckerberg talk about the branding of Facebook, which switching over to Meta. The Metaverses, like this all inclusive environment. We don’t have to leave our homes, we can be in VR, we can feel in touch and experiences. Now, I’m watching him give this announcement. And it was so, sorry, if you love Mark, I’m sorry. I’m not hating...

Russ: I am not sure there are many people that do.

Freddie: I know but what I’m telling you this because I’m listening. And I’m observing him. His body language was the biggest bullshit I’ve ever... It was like he was doing his hands are drifting up and he was floating around. And he’s like, “I’m being a human now. And this is what I propose,” that was so inauthentic and so rehearsed. It was good, but it was scary. I was like, “Ooh, you worked on that.” They told you to get up and do a slow 45-degree pivot so that it was mechanical, monstrous. And I was like, looking at his eyes. It was like, “Guy got sharp eyes.” Now I know. It’s not that his eyes are dark, but there is a darkness to him that whether good or bad, I don’t want to say that as a judgement, just an observation of you, Mark. But there is a darkness which he brings to when he addresses an audience or communicates and I’ve always thought that and I was just watching it the other day. I was like, “Wow, how interesting the degrees that we all hold as different people have different personalities. And here we have someone leading this community that we’re supposed to buy into.” Anyways, then that is.

Sarah: But I was also thinking, I mean, I actually did want to get into electromagnetic fields with you, but we’ve run out of time, it will have to be another podcast. But the whole thing about fields and vibrations. And actually being with someone and being in that field, the value of that even by a photonic transmission. I mean, you certainly weren’t that light, at the event, you sit, I can see you from right across the room, I could see your smile amongst all the other smiles because you definitely are living in whether we call that a higher vibration or maybe you’re emitting more light, I don’t know. But that’s a very real thing. It’s a very real thing. And we need to not lose that, we’re speaking via zoom, although we’re only up the road. I mean, hopefully, we’ll do something at the weekend. But that human to human interaction is crucial. And making sure it’s with people that you trust, that are on the same wavelength, literally on the same wavelength. So that’s very cool. And I know that a lot of the therapy that you do is utilizing modulating frequencies and waves, and all of that, but like I say, we’re a little bit run out of time. And we still need you to do our seven-day challenge. So maybe we’ll put a little bit about your post electromagnetic fields stuff on the blog too so people can...

Freddie: Of course, so we could do another one, we could just talk about pulsed electromagnetic field, but as you said, you have an energetic body, I have an energetic body, we have cells that communicate through pulsed frequencies, and pulse light and pulse electromagnetics. We cannot define what dark matter is, it really isn’t matter. There is not a solid, doesn’t exist the universe. It’s all oscillating patterns. So the movie The Matrix was spot on. And I think I say that point, just to remind people, the power you have to influence other people. And a lot of it starts with choice. And a lot of it starts with your belief system, that you can just lean into that and with your words, with your eye gaze, with your touch, with your intentions, you have the ability to affect other people in a positive way.

Sarah: There needs to be awareness that you can have a dramatic effect on your environment.

Russ: And Christie brought up as well with Reiki is you have to be very careful, because you’re absorbing people and energy around you. And I think it is really dangerous, because you are so open to connecting, your light is shining. And then the people will connect with you. And you can be very, very careful who you connect with, because it is probably hard for you to disconnect from somebody because you’re connecting at a different level. Is that real, Freddie? Or is that, I just make that up?

Freddie: You know what? I think, again, it’s belief system. I don’t have that belief system. My light goes out. You can drink it, you can fill it up, but I have a very defined force field up that I remind myself that I’m a sovereign being. I remind myself, it’s a choice to let your bullshit into my field. And especially when I hear it, I can hear it in the spoken word. people show up. And again, what’s the ask? What are we doing? What’s the relationship? What are we exchanging? And if it feels like it’s negative or feels like a drain, I remind myself, I was like, “Oh, that person’s kind of out of integrity.” They’re bringing their trauma into the conversation,” I can kind of close this down, remind myself of that pretty quickly. I really put up that, it’s not a force field. But I remind myself that it’s not necessarily like a bi-directional, even flow, really, in the realm of all possibilities when we don’t know what matter is? I’m gonna go ahead and make up my own rules at the end of the day. Yeah.

Russ: So, let’s talk about the seven-day challenge today. I feel it’s joy driven, but I’m curious to see where are you taking us?

Freddie: Yeah, let’s talk energy. Let’s talk chakra centers. Let’s talk to bio energetic fields. Let’s stick on this theme where we’re light beings emitting light, which can be tracked through, I love GDB, photography, gas discharge photography. And I just want to remind people that this isn’t just Freddie’s imagination, we can really measure the light coming off the human being. So with that light we have energetic bundles down through the spine known as the chakra centers or energy bundles, there’s nerve bundles there. And those bundles can be blocked. One way to move that is frequency or sound therapy. I personally, because I have a background in music, theater and all the Broadway things, I’m a big believer in waking up in sometime in the day, sometime in the first hour vocalizing or singing. And, again, if we’re looking in the world on a... The periodic tables is a piano, we can look at all the elements as a different vibratory pattern or we can think about, there’s really only eight notes, it’s all a variation on eight notes. So I like to do just a simple scale in the morning. And I like to do that one to two times a day, whenever I feel that my cup is running over with stress, whenever I catch myself doing this or it’s like you’re not breathing. So go ahead and do this little exercise. So I can do it live. Now if we want it, it just takes me like a minute.

Sarah: Yeah, sure.

Freddie: So, we’re going to count, we’re going to go 1, 2, 3. 2, 3, 4. 3, 4, 5. 4, 3, 2, 1. And we’re just going to do that on a note, we’re going to sing that. And we can make it really simple. I like counting because I can see the steps going 1, 2, 3. 2, 3, 4. 3, 4, 5. 4, 3, 2, 1. So we’re going 1, 2, 3. 2, 3, 4. 3, 4, 5, fives at the top of the steps. And we’re just gonna go down three steps. 4, 3, 2, 1. So you can do that with a word. You can go and we get started a little lower. So it’s not so high, intimidating, but it would just be any time you’re stressed. Just do this for five minutes. 1, 2, 3. 2, 3, 4. 3, 4, 5. 4, 3, 2, 1. The other way you can do it without the words. You can just go, “Yaah,” so “Yaah” is a nice open position. If you yawn, if you guys both ready to yawn, now go. But don’t close it out, just go. That’s an incipient yawn. That’s the moment before pallets lifted, larynx is dropped, we’ve got a lot of space in the throat. So, Yaah. [Singing]. Nothing in my face is moving to do this exercise if we watch this video, or if I give you guys a video for people to watch, the face is very relaxed. We don’t sing with our jaw or our face. I know Mariah Carey does that. But for vocalizing everything happens in the vocal folds, which looks like a little vagina. And they just open in the middle. And they’re just touching like this. It’s really incredible. YouTube, Vocal Folds Bold Singing, it’s incredible to watch. You’re like, “Oh my God! My body has a cello in it.” Or it looks like the inside of a violin as I’m making noise. And the only thing that changes that pitch is my brain. I can change the pitch without moving anything. It’s all mind control of the voice, when we Yaah, we change our pitch. So I would just say, four to five times, Yaah [singing], now if we want to go up and get a little of like a depression alleviation, we’ll keep going up by a half step. So I do, Yaah, [singing]. You could keep going. And but you’re going to find if you do that for four to five minutes, your next conversation will be better, more grounded. It’ll be more heart centered. It’s gonna move you into your heart.

It’s gonna move you, so that is a free way to do sound therapy. It’s a free way to align the chakras. You’re gonna get all the resonators up here, and your face and your forehead and your eyes and your cheekbones and your jaw and your chest, and your lungs, even your glutes. We’ve got resonators, we can change the sound quality of our voice. So it’s just one of those things. You want to use your whole body when you’re using it. And it’s amazing the power you can get when you have sovereignty and control and access to your body’s true voice.

Sarah: Wow, that was amazing. Thank you for that, that’s super cool. It almost sounded a bit like church, when you go to church and you hear the singing, which is something I was enforced to go to church and so I refuse to do the singing because I didn’t want to be in church. But I actually now think I probably missed out because the whole point of that music is not so much what I thought at the time as a kid like, “They’re trying to brainwash me with these words.” It’s more about getting you into a certain state probably with that kind of the musicality of it, actually, like you’re saying it alters your consciousness. It alters.

Freddie: Yes. It opens you to certain pathways and ideas. And I think, as reminded this morning, somebody, a Broadway composer was like, put made a post on social media. He had a screenshot of music, somebody had sat down to the piano to sing for a Broadway show. And it was like, “Touch me, touch me, Jesus.” And I was kind of a giggle. He’s like, “Oh, my God, if I had a nickel,” the idea. And again, from David Hawking’s book, Power Versus Force, he goes back and he’s like, “Listen, the original word of religious, what I want to say, like it beyond religion, like Jesus, the Buddha, they aligned with a very high state of consciousness. However, men, they take that information and they process it, and they put it into a book, and they put their demands and their shame and their like, darkness on it. And then there’s another version. And so they can almost chart like, through time, the different versions of the gospel and how it’s degraded.” It was a very pure message, if you look at just Jesus’s word, if you look at Buddha’s word, like, these are people that aligned with such a high consciousness, they were barely on the planet, it was beautiful. And then kind of, as people, we twist it, and we manipulate it, we build in shame, religion is different than spirituality, which has sort of been used as a control mechanism, not as a place to elevate people.

Yeah, it’s a conversion, it converts to power, which converts to control. And all of a sudden, now you’re using the word of God as your legal doctrine versus a spiritual doctrine. And you’re right, you can see in the Bible, how it just completely changes and you’re like, “Whoa,” like that is now a book of laws versus what it’s intent was. I mean, I think many people have said before that, like, Jesus is Buddhist, he is a Buddhist by nature. And people just miss took his word or mistook what his intent was. But singing and being able to do it in a way where it’s non-judgmental, like, I find myself my first reaction is, I can’t do that. Because it’s a personal judgment, I can’t sing. I think it is that opening up, like you’re opening yourself up to just be free and doing that, too. I think that’s all...

Russ: I wish somebody had told me that when I was a kid ready to do it without the words, to get that vibration without the words because now that you’re saying it, of course, it makes perfect sense. You’re actually like using that harmonic to resonate in your body to make you feel better. But at the time, as I said, because I didn’t agree, I missed out on probably a lot of healing that goes on with that intonation

Freddie: Tons. And we talked about, especially in some of the technologies it’s like, how do you get the frequency or the resonant into the...? How do you get the innermost area of the cell to hear that? What better way to do that with your voice?

Sarah: Yeah. To vibrate the voice in your chest. Well, the challenge is accepted. We will do it; we will record it. I mean, it won’t sound like when you did it, Freddie, definitely from my side...

Freddie: Guys, it was good.

Sarah: It was not good, I know but we’ll practice Freddie and we will do a little video.

Freddie: I want you to also think about as you do this exercise at home and you think about it, it’s gonna feel foreign. It’s gonna feel awkward. It’s gonna feel weird and that’s okay, but we could give the other awful terrible qualifier. Yourselves, I’ll hear that, your voice hears that.

Sarah: Yeah, of course.

Freddie: My body is a body in process. I’m trying something new and I’m gonna offer it a little grace. Yeah, it’ll be exactly what it needs to be. Remember, you just told me this is something you had fear and shame around for your whole life. So have you open your mouth and expect it to be like, ready for Broadway? It’s okay. That’s okay. But we’ll get there.

Russ: But yeah, Freddie, thank you for being another wonderful human, planet needs more of you. Thank you for being amazing.

Sarah: Yes. Thank you so much Freddie. And hopefully we’ll get you back to do the post electromagnetic fields but thanks for that. It was being great.

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Russ: [Singing]. Sarah, I found something. I think I found something.

Sarah: I can hear that you are doing your Freddie challenge.

Russ: Is it pathetic that I actually forgot the numbers and counting? When he said you can hum it. I was like, perfect, because I couldn’t remember anything he said number wise. It was like, all I remember was 4, 3, 2, 1. And that was it. The other part I couldn’t remember.

Sarah: Well, it was 1, 2, 3, 4.

Russ: Was it like 1, 2, 3? It was like 1, 2, 3. 3, 2, 1.

Sarah: Yeah, he made just counting sound amazing. So, yeah, we failed because we couldn’t even count to 10.

Russ: Total. He’s one of those people you don’t know their talents until they show it. You don’t like, I didn’t really say to such a great, beautiful singing voice. And when he started singing, I was like, “I’m gonna stop talking. Keep going. Keep going, my friend.”

Sarah: We should have got him to sing the entire episode.

Russ: We should. Well, again, wonderful guest. I mean, in so many examples of someone who had transformational moments of healing, physical challenges. Testicular cancer? Oh, it’s devastating.

Sarah: Well, not only that, I mean, he had his entire body cut open more than once and these are things where you think, “Wow, that’s a lot to go through.” But to go through that, and then come out on the other side, so positive, and wanting so much to kind of share your knowledge, that’s very amazing. I mean, he is one of our amazing humans. And such a lovely guy.

Russ: Absolutely. Yeah, really, I mean, he’s doing things the way he wants to do things. And you know what? I found interesting was that we’re talking about the thing that Christie had mentioned around not being careful what energy pull into you, and that he has a boundary. And I thought that was interesting, because when you’re open like that, and you are Reiki and you’re pushing energy and pulling energy in, that he’s able to actually have a little bit of a boundary, where he’s not soaking it all up. And he’s pretty decisive around who he’s going to spend time with versus not.

Sarah: Yeah, I think he spent a lot of time working on that confidence, a lot of time working on his energies, he spent a long time developing those skills and he consciously put effort into being aware of his environment to that extent. So, yeah, I think there’s a lot to learn from that. I mean, it’s difficult to really measure that or to give people a technique for that, I think. I mean, he’s obviously well read, he mentioned about four or five books just during the interview. So I think he’s spent some time, he’s read on self-help books, he’s done the work. I mean, I know that he spends a lot of time doing all the different therapies, he now does PMF, which I wanted to talk to him a bit about, because I am a little bit skeptical, actually, about the technique.

Russ: You bring up a few times.

Sarah: I did because I think really tell me exactly how you think it’s working? they’re applying a very scientific way of delivering the energy and I have experienced it myself, and I don’t know, I think it’s possible to push people either way using those techniques.

Russ: I’m not aware of what it is.

Sarah: It’s a coil that puts out a post frequency. But some of the frequencies, they’re putting out a very, very high frequency, which by orthodox science terms, you shouldn’t be able to perceive like frequencies that are in there 1000s of hertz, humans really can’t perceive that in any tangible way. And as far as you know, it certainly doesn’t sell firing of cells or anything. But people who use this therapy, are saying that they’re using it for very specific things like 4000 hertz, and they’re using that for pain and anger and healing and I want you to dig a bit deeper on that say, “Well, why do you think that is associated?

Russ: Between your teeth, just kidding and your shock therapy.

Sarah: But it’s a big coil that you have to rest on your chest or on your abdomen. It’s like a heavy cord that they actually post electricity. Yeah, I mean, it’s interesting. I may go, I mean, after now, maybe I’ll go [unclear 50:25]. Next time, maybe I think we’ll have someone on who can talk about that therapy, because it is something that a lot of the biohackers do and frequency medicine. We touched on it a little bit when we talked about remote healing, sending out frequencies because I know that people can do this with a photo, for example, maybe you don’t even have to be there. So that again, it’s that how do people think it’s working kind of thing? But whatever Freddie is doing, it’s obviously working for him. Because the proof is there, he looks radiant and healthy.

Russ: Great skin.

Sarah: Great personality, so whatever he is doing, whether it’s woo-woo, or whether woo-woo work or whatever it is, it’s worth investigating because he is a good advocate for his...

Russ: Yeah, he is. And there’s something about knowing your craft, as with him and Dasha and others. I mean, they know what they’re doing. Dr. Berman, these are people who have really understood and honed in on their craft and are really focused on and he said something really interesting around like he knew, and he discovered and his transformation was that he was here on this planet to help people. And I don’t think everyone’s here on this planet to help other people. I don’t think that’s true for everyone. And I think to know that and to live that because it’s important.

Sarah: Yeah, so worth investigating. We’ll put again, we’ll put all Freddie’s links up. But yeah, great guy, and maybe we’ll see him again.

Russ: Yeah, and I will not stop singing out in public. I did buy myself a lapel mic, which means I have to wear a sport coat when I go out now. So I could be miked up and I just put a little speaker on my back and just sing.

Russ: It is free, though. It’s something that I was mentioning this like I’ve been doing a bit of research, I should know what I’m doing research on, it’s called Frisson, F-R-I-S-S-O-N, I think, let me just double check. But it’s that moment when you hear a song, in music, the hair on your arms, you don’t have hair in your arms, but I do I have like a sweater on my arms, stands up and you get chills and hear music and I think, it’s this thrill you get and my brother-in-law is a classical music composer and he has an orchestra and he talks about when they’re all playing together, it feels like they’re floating and that feeling and there is something magical about it. And I think when you free yourself to not be afraid for others to hear you sing because your voice is awful. I think it does feel different, you putting a different frequency into your body.

Sarah: That’s why in yoga they do the yawn because you’re actually vibrating yourself, you’re actually vibrating from the inside. I mean, to the theory is just that say, I’m staying in a house for, I don’t know anyone. But I have done this before like something called continuum therapy where you make all kinds of noises and you’re directly trying to use your body as the instrument. I totally understand orchestra I mean music is transcendental the right way or is that just the meditation but it’s transcendent maybe that’s word. [unclear 54:22]. And Freddie was great and to bring that is something that I don’t do, some of our guests I do a lot of this stuff, the singing piece I don’t do.

Russ: He did on Broadway so I mean, he better brings that, if he didn’t then I’d be like, “Come on, man.”

Sarah: I think he’d like Abel James I think we should introduce him to Abel James because they’re both similar trip, aren’t they?

Russ: We should, there is the future episode idea, we will note back to this, Sarah and Russ future episode idea. We need to do a panel around the power of singing and the power of voice.

Sarah: Yeah, noted.

Russ: All right. I’m going to, “Send an email to Sarah and Russ. The Future Show ideas.” Okay, done. Sarah, enjoy the rest of your day. This is a weekend. So enjoy your weekend.

Sarah: Thank you. Yeah, it’s Halloween weekend, so we’ll see what happens. Spooky things.


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